COG
Twenty ten marks 12 years of tunes, tours and triumph for progressive rock trio Cog.
Celebrating this, Alicia Bolton talks to drummer Lucius Borich about the band, the new ‘Sound of three’ DVD and a couple of side projects Borich has going on.
Hey dude, how are you?
Not too bad thanks for asking
Cog has become one of the most successful bands in Australia with one of the strongest and most dedicated fan bases in the country, how did you guys get to this point and where did it all begin?
Well we’re just releasing a DVD (called The Sound of Three). 12 Years is a long time and there’s a lot in there (the dvd). We were high school friends. Flynn and Luke are brothers and we’ve all grown up in the same area and same environment around Bondi. I guess when you live in the one place and you’re young when you cross paths you become friends. When you’ve all got similar interests, one of those being music, you kind of gravitate towards each other so that’s kind of like what happened. Flynn and I used to play in a few other bands and we knew of each other and basically, I think it was 1998 and I was in America, I was living there for a while and that’s where I formed the idea for COG. Flynn contacted me and said well, what am I up to? So I just told him what I was doing and he was interested in starting a new project as well, so we just started communicating and then the rest is history really. You know, it was 12 years later and what is it, two albums and, well three albums really and basically the DVD has the whole story.
So growing up together what style of music did you guys like and how has this affected the style of music you guys play?
The spectrum of music, or should I say the record collection of music that I’ve got is just really big and really vast. I’ve got many different styles, it can range from anything from jazz to reggae, to full on metal to blues, you know, latin, you name it. I guess I’ve just been very interested in many different styles of music. When it came to COG I always gravitated more towards the rock, heavier rock kind of thing, but for me it was very important to be in a band that was progressing rock music in some way and wasn’t just using old templates of older rock bands. I guess the only thing you can say that really influenced me was bands that would push the boundaries of traditional structures and songs and stuff like that. You know like, Led Zepplen and Pink Floyd or even Genesis or whatever. They take you more on a trip, on a journey. There’s a fine line between having that element to your music and also having more of a like pop straight element like Police or Devo and bands I was listening to back at that time. A lot of 70s bands and then 80s bands influenced me, obviously because I was growing up listening to all sorts of styles. When the grunge scene happened, the Seattle scene and bands...There was a group of bands coming out at the time in the mid 90s whether it was Nirvana or Savage Garden or Tool or Rage Against the Machine …There was a certain sound that was happening and it was of our time and it made sense to turn it up a bit louder and I guess be in that genre or the progressive rock genre in a sense. Kind of create a genre that was more of a true expression of ourselves. It wasn’t like we were trying to copy anyone at all, but we were using the freedom just to be able to push the boundaries of song writing. That was probably one of the rules or templates we followed.
Whether you’ve toured with the bands or not, who have been some of most inspiring musicians you’ve come across in your time?
Well I’ve been playing with Ezekiel Ox a lot. He used to play in a band called Mammal and I’ve been playing in his new band. I played drums on his new album. He’s fantastic in the sense that he has so much energy and time for music and he’s doing a lot of different projects. He’s inspiring to be around with his enthusiasm towards these projects and how he looks at himself as being someone who everyday can have the opportunity to create. I’ve also had my Father who’s been around a long time and he’s a musician. I’ve toured a lot with him and he’s like twice my age. I just played with him the other night actually at the RSL. He’s inspiring to play with because he’s my age times again and I’m just like holy crap this guy is playing unbelievable guitar and just immersing himself in what he loves to do.
That’s really great hey…
Yeah it’s really inspiring to be around people who love what they love to do and I think that’s the biggest thing whether it’s on tour with bands or just friends around my local community.
Yeah definitely. Okay so just back to the DVD quickly…
How long did it take to make the DVD and did you face many difficulties or was it mainly just smooth sailing?
It was pretty difficult. I had a lot to trawl through in terms of footage, photos, interviews and stuff like that. You could imagine over 12 years of accumulating stuff you’d end up with a lot. It basically took me three months to go through it all and then select what I thought was going to be okay to put on the DVD. Then I gave it to Silo who basically edited it and helped cut it and took all the really good bits out and put it together properly. He aligned it with the script that was written. It was a really hard task, quite emotional at times because the band at the moment is on a fragile edge. It’s the hiatus period, we’re in a limbo state you could say.
Oh okay yeah…
I’ve been reminiscing about a lot of fantastic, amazing moments and sometimes that was pretty heartfelt. It was pretty emotional at times but you know with a box of Kleenex tissues I managed to get to the end.
So it all turned out well?
Yeah it turned out really well. I’m really proud of it and I think it’s a great documentation of you know, from inception to now and everything in between. It’s a 47 minute documentary and it shows a lot about the band and it’s going to be really good for any kind of fan who wants to get closer to us and just understand what it took to do what we did.
Yeah, 12 years is a long time. Since everyone is celebrating 12 years of COG, if you could pick three stand out moments during your time as a band what would they be?
Definitely one would be playing with System of a Down at the Horton Pavilion. We were a very young naïve band but we got the opportunity to get on stage and support that band and they were absolutely blowing up at the time. I remember it was (at the Horton Pavilion) a very big venue and that really impressed me. It stuck in my mind that’s for sure.
How long ago was that?
That was probably 2000, I think.
Obviously playing at Big Day Out in 2006 was another stand out moment. That was fantastic because we played on the main stage.
Have you noticed your crowds changing? Like in terms of how people react to your music?
Not necessarily, the dynamic of that has always been pretty much the same. I think what I’ve noticed is it depends on what night you play. If you play on a Friday or Saturday night then everyone is more likely to um….
Get rowdy!
Yeah well more alcohol so they break free and express themselves a bit more and the crowd becomes different. If you play during the week on like a Wednesday or Thursday, they’re a little bit more like well I’ve gotta go to work tomorrow so I’m just going to observe tonight.
Haha true… What about any weird fan encounters like entertaining stuff that’s happened in regards to fans?
There are so many things, a lot of weird things have happened. Those kind of things come and go. You have a little laugh and move on. Don’t try and waste space in the mind hard drive one would say.
You’ve also just announced that you’ll be re-releasing the re-mastered full-length “Just Visiting” Album on iTunes. Why did you guys decide to do this?
We basically did it as a CD. We got a label called Destra but that fell apart. We actually put the two EP’s together and put it as an album CD release, as the way it should have been. When the record company kind of folded there was no more distribution going on and it wasn’t being manufactured so it went underground for a little while and it’s just been sitting there waiting to rear its head again so we’re going to digitally release it. We’ll probably do a physical copy at one point in time but these days everyone’s just downloading the MP3 versions…
Yeah MP3 downloads are taking over. Giving people access to the digital copy is a good idea in the modern era…
Yeah exactly. We’ll do it that way first and then maybe we’ll go and do the physical product again because the artwork is really nice on the physical product.
So you guys are touring around Aus at the moment?
Yeah we’re about to kick off on that tour. It’s only a really small tour to tell you the truth. We’ll be doing the major capitals pretty much and that kicks off in a couple of weeks so we’ll do some rehearsals to get the cob webs out and hit the road and promote the DVD.
For fans coming out to see you guys in the next few months, what can we expect from a your live shows?
Pretty much the people who’ve come to see COG more than once, twice or three times won’t get anything they haven’t seen before. The DVD is like a celebration, it’s a moment to reflect. Getting up on stage and playing all those songs again and basking in those songs. It’s a great feeling to play those songs.
Yeah for sure…So what kind of set will you guys be playing on this tour?
It’ll be a mixture of everything we’ve done in the past. When I say to you that it’s nothing they haven’t seen, it’s because we’ve been playing these songs for 12 years. Unfortunately there are no new songs or anything. Basically what we’ve brought to the tour that’s different is we’ve got a few suprises in terms of support bands and things like that.
Can you give away any of the support bands?
Well in Sydney we have The Butterfly Effect because we’ve been friends with them for years. In Adelaide we’ve got Snap to Zero who we used to play with a lot and they’re a really cool Adelaide band.
What about Brisbane?
Ah well that a suprise!
Haha, okay we’ll have to wait and see.
So what do you enjoy doing in your time off from the band?
The band’s been on a hiatus, so I’ve got a lot of creative time to do other things. I’ve been immersing myself in music and playing on other people’s projects but I’ve also started a few projects of my own. Hopefully I’ll have an album out with my new project by the end of the year. The band is called Floating me and it’s myself and Jono Stockman from Karnivool, and there used to be a band in the late 90s called Scary Mother and we’ve put together an album. We’re really excited about it.
That’s what I’ve been doing musically, but I also do a lot of research in the political realm. I’ve got a website which I’ve almost finished called Rabbit Hole News (www.rabbitholenews.com). It will be up and running in the next few weeks and Rob from Dead Letter Circus is helping design the look of the site. I’ve got over 800 links there and it goes into some pretty full on topics, hard hitting and controversial topics. One could define it as conspiracy theory topics and all different areas on research just to understand what’s going on in the world today. It’s taken a long time to put together but that’s another area of what I do in my spare time. Plus I’m a Father so I do that as well.
That sounds really interesting…
There’s this thing called the truth movement and a lot of it is about online stuff because we can disseminate information so well and so fast now. For the first time we’re able to really see, read and understand a lot more than we ever have. It’s a fantastic medium and what I’m really trying to do is look at lots of different areas and bring them all together to this news page. People can read it and either take the red pill or the blue pill (as they say in the matrix).
Okay Lucius, well thank-you for your time, just before you go is there anything else you’d like to let your fans know?
Okay well that was a pretty good chat actually. Check out Rabbit Hole News, it’s not for the faint hearted. I’m 39 and I started doing all this research nine years ago especially since September 11 happened. The whole thing that’s come upon us about terrorism and surveillance and this term called the New World Order (conspiracy theory) which has been there for a long time but is now more prevalent in the mainstream media through what the politicians are saying. It can actually get pretty scary and disheartening and can freak a lot of people out but I think what one has to remember is there are a lot of us and there’s only a few of them.
Yeah, have you seen the Zeitgeist movies?
Of course.
Are you creating something along those lines?
Those sort of things are more of a starting point, which is fantastic. When those came along I was like yes someone is also doing some fantastic things and putting it out there. That’s along the lines of what I’m talking about very much so but once you really get into the depths of the research what the Zeitgeist movies do is give you a place to start, and then you can search deeper and find hidden agendas and secret societies and the way the world works really. Investigate and open your mind and I think it’s really important for us as a human family really to make sure that we can be free to express the way we want to express and live the way we want to live.
Yeah definitely. Well thanks heaps for your time today.
Yeah no worries, you take care huh!
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